waitingnwaiting
01-05 05:16 PM
Moderators , Pls delete this thread. Why is the thread posted on a immigration forum. :mad:
Are you one of the the guys selling it? No harm listening to both sides of the argument.
Are you one of the the guys selling it? No harm listening to both sides of the argument.
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mallu
05-14 03:09 AM
http://www.rediff.com/money/2007/may/14it.htm
Are those returned due to --ssed of immigration system here ?
Are those returned due to --ssed of immigration system here ?
go_guy123
06-12 12:10 AM
...were forced to leave. This is the darwinian flush and it will take its toll. ......
Without any visa capture....EB2/EB3 India will get flushed in this deep recession.
Without any visa capture....EB2/EB3 India will get flushed in this deep recession.
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chantu
03-30 12:39 PM
I am not saying MMS is the best....but better than others. Do you believe the so called Left the savior of our country. I am not bothering who is ruling or not. My only worry - what is done for our future. I strongly believe Left was the speed bump to the development of the country. Mr.Advani dont have anything but Ram Temple. I hardly see any value in that. He runs his politics based on religon and Ram temple. Let him put the plan and vision for out future, to build stronger India....I will be the first one to vote for him.
Left parties are the worst no doubt about that. Have you gone through the BJP manifesto, its IT vision document and also have you heard about Friends of BJP forums started by Indian businessmen. Yes, Advani runs his politics on religion and Ram temple. Do you think congress does not use religion? Do you hear the news that in Kerala congress has fielded candidates supported by church? Tomorrow if Sri Sri Ravi Shankar or Ramdev baba do the same thing with BJP, our media will shout from the roof top that this is communalism. Do you know Congress is allied with Muslim League in Kerala?
Snathan, all parties use the dirty tricks. Congress, BJP, Communists. But I will always support the party which builds Ram Temple rather than the party which destroys Ram Setu and even denies the existence of Ram.
Left parties are the worst no doubt about that. Have you gone through the BJP manifesto, its IT vision document and also have you heard about Friends of BJP forums started by Indian businessmen. Yes, Advani runs his politics on religion and Ram temple. Do you think congress does not use religion? Do you hear the news that in Kerala congress has fielded candidates supported by church? Tomorrow if Sri Sri Ravi Shankar or Ramdev baba do the same thing with BJP, our media will shout from the roof top that this is communalism. Do you know Congress is allied with Muslim League in Kerala?
Snathan, all parties use the dirty tricks. Congress, BJP, Communists. But I will always support the party which builds Ram Temple rather than the party which destroys Ram Setu and even denies the existence of Ram.
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bfadlia
02-15 11:30 PM
Reality is that you don't want to see Indians and Chinese around you. I am sure IV does not need people like you. IV does not promote nationality and we are against all the bad pracitices of the body shoppers but we don't want someone to label Indians and Chinese in this country product of bodyshopping immigration.
Most of the population are well educated , skilled professionals and labelling them that they are flooding the market is insulting. If you think that you don't have marketable skills and is difficult for you to play due to Indians and Chinese, please feel free not to come back to this website. There are many Anti-Chinese and Anti-India blogs for your agenda. I am not sure whose side you are on and who has planted you here.
Sir, first, not that I will listen to you, but you have no business telling anybody that IV doesn't need them, it's very serious when every disgruntled member decides to speak on others behalf and tell people who disagree with them they need to leave IV
second, do u have a crystal ball that allows you to know my feelings more than I do and put words in my mouth that i didn't say.. when i say that bodyshops participated in creating the disproportionate lines for india and china where do you get an insult or conclude that i want indians and chinese to disappear or that i feel i lack marketable skills..
stick to arguments please instead of these endless fabrications.
Most of the population are well educated , skilled professionals and labelling them that they are flooding the market is insulting. If you think that you don't have marketable skills and is difficult for you to play due to Indians and Chinese, please feel free not to come back to this website. There are many Anti-Chinese and Anti-India blogs for your agenda. I am not sure whose side you are on and who has planted you here.
Sir, first, not that I will listen to you, but you have no business telling anybody that IV doesn't need them, it's very serious when every disgruntled member decides to speak on others behalf and tell people who disagree with them they need to leave IV
second, do u have a crystal ball that allows you to know my feelings more than I do and put words in my mouth that i didn't say.. when i say that bodyshops participated in creating the disproportionate lines for india and china where do you get an insult or conclude that i want indians and chinese to disappear or that i feel i lack marketable skills..
stick to arguments please instead of these endless fabrications.
caliducas
07-13 09:40 AM
Alright! Back to the US immigration deal! There is still hope and the battle is not over. So I wish you all the best with your cases. Mine has not been rejected/returned yet since my application was delivered on July 3rd. I don't know what will happen, but there is still hope!!!
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jchan
07-25 10:48 AM
VDLRAO - You brought lot of valid points which supported by authentic statistics. But surprisingly Ron�s comment about the Aug bulletin is totally vague. You can throw the numbers to prove your claim but I don�t think Ron really has any such numerical explanation for his statement.
With all due respect, I beg to differ from Ron (probably for the first time).
I agree with vdlrao completely. The horizontal spill over rule essentially gives all EB1/EB2 visa to EB2's. This will make the EB2 cutoff dates leap and bounce forward. For EB3, however, there won't be any spill over data until EB2 become all current.
In Oppennheimer's reply to Ron Gotcher's question, he mentioned that the horizontal rule was set after he 'had consulation with the congress', so it's very unlikely to have any change to this rule till some legislation changes take place.
With all due respect, I beg to differ from Ron (probably for the first time).
I agree with vdlrao completely. The horizontal spill over rule essentially gives all EB1/EB2 visa to EB2's. This will make the EB2 cutoff dates leap and bounce forward. For EB3, however, there won't be any spill over data until EB2 become all current.
In Oppennheimer's reply to Ron Gotcher's question, he mentioned that the horizontal rule was set after he 'had consulation with the congress', so it's very unlikely to have any change to this rule till some legislation changes take place.
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whatamidoinghere
02-13 10:47 PM
I am following this discussion and it is interesting. Here is what I get so far.
USCIS is not allotting excess visa number horizontally. Unused visas from Eb1 and EB2 are not going to over subscribed countries but to EB3 ROW. The "total" visas in the law can be read as total visa across all categories. If this is true then it is likely that untill EB3 ROW becomes current, India and China will only get 7%. But here is what I do not get.
1) From november 2005 bulletin, USCIS is saying that they are going to suspend AC21. Why did they decide to suspend ac21? Can they decide on their own when they are going to apply to AC21 and when they are not? Is AC21 not a law?
2) Why or how did USCIS allocate large number of visas to over subscribed countries India and China before? Like in the November bulletin, USCIS says india used up around 44000 visas. Were they allocating more visas by following AC21? If yes, then why did they decide to suspend AC21? If no, then how they allocated so many numbers?
I am trying to understand the how the USCIS decides to allocate visa numbers. And it is very complex.
Another thing that is hard to understand is that if EB3 ROW is getting all the unused visas, how did EB2 move forward two years in 2006? It was moving 6 months at a time till May-06. Did USCIS change the way they interpret the law in May-06? That would be weird, they should have done it when they declared in Nov-05 bulletin that AC21 provisions are not expected to apply.
It is possible that USCIS is allocating unused EB2 visas to EB2 India and China after all, and it is not moving forward only because of backlogged EB2 Labors getting approved. We will know for sure in a few months. There are still several 2001 EB2 Non-RIR cases in the backlog as per
http://www..com/usa-immigration-trackers/dallas-backlog-tracker/
USCIS is not allotting excess visa number horizontally. Unused visas from Eb1 and EB2 are not going to over subscribed countries but to EB3 ROW. The "total" visas in the law can be read as total visa across all categories. If this is true then it is likely that untill EB3 ROW becomes current, India and China will only get 7%. But here is what I do not get.
1) From november 2005 bulletin, USCIS is saying that they are going to suspend AC21. Why did they decide to suspend ac21? Can they decide on their own when they are going to apply to AC21 and when they are not? Is AC21 not a law?
2) Why or how did USCIS allocate large number of visas to over subscribed countries India and China before? Like in the November bulletin, USCIS says india used up around 44000 visas. Were they allocating more visas by following AC21? If yes, then why did they decide to suspend AC21? If no, then how they allocated so many numbers?
I am trying to understand the how the USCIS decides to allocate visa numbers. And it is very complex.
Another thing that is hard to understand is that if EB3 ROW is getting all the unused visas, how did EB2 move forward two years in 2006? It was moving 6 months at a time till May-06. Did USCIS change the way they interpret the law in May-06? That would be weird, they should have done it when they declared in Nov-05 bulletin that AC21 provisions are not expected to apply.
It is possible that USCIS is allocating unused EB2 visas to EB2 India and China after all, and it is not moving forward only because of backlogged EB2 Labors getting approved. We will know for sure in a few months. There are still several 2001 EB2 Non-RIR cases in the backlog as per
http://www..com/usa-immigration-trackers/dallas-backlog-tracker/
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snathan
01-24 02:16 PM
Kindly visit this forum
USCIS new memo on Employer-Employee relationship - Topic Powered by Infopop (http://murthyforum.atinfopop.com/4/OpenTopic?a=tpc&s=1024039761&f=4234032861&m=1181028202&p=2)
and see yourself how people differ on this memo. It seems so many people are happy about this memo for the following reason:
1. They are not affected by this memo ( for sure ).
2. They are fed up with Body Shoppers.
You can not ask them to change as they have their own take on this memo.
Personally after reading so many scenarios I don't support this memo.
They may not be affected by this memo and they are day dreaming they wont be affected in the future also. This is just starting and you never know what USCIS and antis are planning. This memo is very unfair for people who are in this country 5-10 years and stuck in the GC backlog. Assume that people who are in full time fired...what they will do. Just they will run this body shop. Then they will understand what this is all about. I personally do not like people suffering for no reason.
USCIS new memo on Employer-Employee relationship - Topic Powered by Infopop (http://murthyforum.atinfopop.com/4/OpenTopic?a=tpc&s=1024039761&f=4234032861&m=1181028202&p=2)
and see yourself how people differ on this memo. It seems so many people are happy about this memo for the following reason:
1. They are not affected by this memo ( for sure ).
2. They are fed up with Body Shoppers.
You can not ask them to change as they have their own take on this memo.
Personally after reading so many scenarios I don't support this memo.
They may not be affected by this memo and they are day dreaming they wont be affected in the future also. This is just starting and you never know what USCIS and antis are planning. This memo is very unfair for people who are in this country 5-10 years and stuck in the GC backlog. Assume that people who are in full time fired...what they will do. Just they will run this body shop. Then they will understand what this is all about. I personally do not like people suffering for no reason.
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desighee
06-15 12:30 PM
dilip
With the level/kind of arguments that you are putting in your posts, I don't think you will be able to complete your MBA or will not survive working as a MBA. So, my suggestion is: save that 100,000 that you are planing to burn doing MBA. Use it for some other purpose.
You are not able to compete with the unskilled people even though you have more than 10 years experience, how you are going to compete with MBA's that graduate from top schools from USA and India with your phony accent. Dont waste your 100,000, use it for your child's education or maybe donate part of it to IV and someone from IV might help you in getting a JOB.
your arguments are stupid man.
Dilip has put fwd everything in a great perspective.
I think you should think about your plans of settling down in the US.To me your chances of survival are quite gloomy considering you don't have aptitude for basic reading comprehension(take GRE to assess your skills)if you go past a score of 400 I would be surprised
With the level/kind of arguments that you are putting in your posts, I don't think you will be able to complete your MBA or will not survive working as a MBA. So, my suggestion is: save that 100,000 that you are planing to burn doing MBA. Use it for some other purpose.
You are not able to compete with the unskilled people even though you have more than 10 years experience, how you are going to compete with MBA's that graduate from top schools from USA and India with your phony accent. Dont waste your 100,000, use it for your child's education or maybe donate part of it to IV and someone from IV might help you in getting a JOB.
your arguments are stupid man.
Dilip has put fwd everything in a great perspective.
I think you should think about your plans of settling down in the US.To me your chances of survival are quite gloomy considering you don't have aptitude for basic reading comprehension(take GRE to assess your skills)if you go past a score of 400 I would be surprised
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logiclife
05-10 05:19 PM
The slowness that results because of employer petition and bureaucratic delays(backlogs centers) and quota delays(retrogression) IS A HUGE PROBLEM. Please read my original post.
I am not saying that US system is perfect. I am saying that the employer-petition(if working properly and speedily) is better than points-based system(as two different comparable methods of adjudication for immigration) to protect the workforce from oversupply of labor.
If current system wasnt a problem, our work would be done. If the whole GC process took less than 2 years, it would be not bad and being stuck with one employer for 2 years is probably workable for most people.
And yes, please dont get me wrong, IV has not changed its goals or diluted its goals, I am merely voicing my opinion on the debate/discussion over different countries' immigration system and how they stack up against each other - both for immigrants and for those countries.
I am not saying that US system is perfect. I am saying that the employer-petition(if working properly and speedily) is better than points-based system(as two different comparable methods of adjudication for immigration) to protect the workforce from oversupply of labor.
If current system wasnt a problem, our work would be done. If the whole GC process took less than 2 years, it would be not bad and being stuck with one employer for 2 years is probably workable for most people.
And yes, please dont get me wrong, IV has not changed its goals or diluted its goals, I am merely voicing my opinion on the debate/discussion over different countries' immigration system and how they stack up against each other - both for immigrants and for those countries.
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_TrueFacts
09-10 02:01 AM
YSR the most corrupt politician (http://www.zimbio.com/Telugu+Movies/articles/14097/YSR+most+corrupt+politician)
Corruption in Irrigation Projects
The Stink of Cement
Sakshi: Investments and Rewards
The VANPIC Link
Maytas, Satyam and Metro
WAQF Land Sold Illegally
Power Fraud
COVERT is a magazine: http://www.sriviews.com/2009/03/story-of-ysrs-corruption/ click on the main image for pictures of documents
Andhra Pradesh Chief Minister Y.S. Rajasekhara Reddy has been presiding over large-scale corruption in the State, with huge amounts of money being made and squandered by a small group of influential politicians and their friends and relatives
The entire operation is carried with internal benchmarks of bids being changed to favor select companies, pre-bidding rules flouted for friends and relatives, Waqf properties sold for a song, and individuals and companies that invested in son Jagan Mohan Reddy’s huge media enterprise rewarded with other lucrative projects in Andhra Pradesh.
Covert has documents to prove that there are links between many other projects and companies floated by the Chief Minister’s son Y.S. Jagan Mohan Reddy. Covert has a copy of several Board resolutions of this company, confirming that Jagan Mohan Reddy is the director of Raghuram Cements and fully authorised to deal with the financial transactions.
Congress MP V. Hanumantha Rao told Covert, “This boy was nothing in 2004 [when Y.S.R. came to power] and now he has a lot of businesses, two or three companies can be understood, but so many…”
SAKSHI: INVESTMENTS AND REWARDS
Sources said that several of the companies investing in Jagan Mohan Reddy’s pet Sakshi project have been rewarded with other projects. For instance, Hetero Limited that has invested nearly Rs 4 crores in Sakshi, has been allocated a pharmaceutical SEZ at Polyppaly.
The State Government has exploited every loophole to seal this Rs 5,000-crore project that involves the acquisition of 25,000 acres of land in the State.
MAYTAS, SATYAM AND METRO
No rules apply in Andhra Pradesh under Chief Minister Reddy, who wilfully orders officials to clear deals and projects in violation of all laws. The link between the Congress and Satyam’s Ramalinga Raju, who is now under arrest for a major corporate scam, is established through the manner in which the bid for the multi-crore Hyderabad Metro Rail project was finalised, and the rules totally violated with full connivance of the Reddy Government.
WAQF LAND SOLD ILLEGALLY
Chief Minister Y.S.R. Reddy is also presiding over what sources describe as the completely illegal selling off of Waqf property in the State. There is a long list of cases where prime Waqf land has been sold for a pittance, with others getting the bulk of the money. In what is a classic case reflecting rampant corruption, 100 acres of Waqf property at Manakonda village was acquired by the State Government and sold to an infrastructure firm Lanco at throwaway prices
The editor of Siyasat, the Hyderabad-based Urdu daily, Zaheeruddin Ali Khan told Covert that Lanco made a profit of Rs 10,000 crores on this property that was acquired from the Wakf Board at a price of just Rs 60 crores.
Corruption in Irrigation Projects
The Stink of Cement
Sakshi: Investments and Rewards
The VANPIC Link
Maytas, Satyam and Metro
WAQF Land Sold Illegally
Power Fraud
COVERT is a magazine: http://www.sriviews.com/2009/03/story-of-ysrs-corruption/ click on the main image for pictures of documents
Andhra Pradesh Chief Minister Y.S. Rajasekhara Reddy has been presiding over large-scale corruption in the State, with huge amounts of money being made and squandered by a small group of influential politicians and their friends and relatives
The entire operation is carried with internal benchmarks of bids being changed to favor select companies, pre-bidding rules flouted for friends and relatives, Waqf properties sold for a song, and individuals and companies that invested in son Jagan Mohan Reddy’s huge media enterprise rewarded with other lucrative projects in Andhra Pradesh.
Covert has documents to prove that there are links between many other projects and companies floated by the Chief Minister’s son Y.S. Jagan Mohan Reddy. Covert has a copy of several Board resolutions of this company, confirming that Jagan Mohan Reddy is the director of Raghuram Cements and fully authorised to deal with the financial transactions.
Congress MP V. Hanumantha Rao told Covert, “This boy was nothing in 2004 [when Y.S.R. came to power] and now he has a lot of businesses, two or three companies can be understood, but so many…”
SAKSHI: INVESTMENTS AND REWARDS
Sources said that several of the companies investing in Jagan Mohan Reddy’s pet Sakshi project have been rewarded with other projects. For instance, Hetero Limited that has invested nearly Rs 4 crores in Sakshi, has been allocated a pharmaceutical SEZ at Polyppaly.
The State Government has exploited every loophole to seal this Rs 5,000-crore project that involves the acquisition of 25,000 acres of land in the State.
MAYTAS, SATYAM AND METRO
No rules apply in Andhra Pradesh under Chief Minister Reddy, who wilfully orders officials to clear deals and projects in violation of all laws. The link between the Congress and Satyam’s Ramalinga Raju, who is now under arrest for a major corporate scam, is established through the manner in which the bid for the multi-crore Hyderabad Metro Rail project was finalised, and the rules totally violated with full connivance of the Reddy Government.
WAQF LAND SOLD ILLEGALLY
Chief Minister Y.S.R. Reddy is also presiding over what sources describe as the completely illegal selling off of Waqf property in the State. There is a long list of cases where prime Waqf land has been sold for a pittance, with others getting the bulk of the money. In what is a classic case reflecting rampant corruption, 100 acres of Waqf property at Manakonda village was acquired by the State Government and sold to an infrastructure firm Lanco at throwaway prices
The editor of Siyasat, the Hyderabad-based Urdu daily, Zaheeruddin Ali Khan told Covert that Lanco made a profit of Rs 10,000 crores on this property that was acquired from the Wakf Board at a price of just Rs 60 crores.
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tikka
07-03 11:38 PM
Digged , Thanks admins for all these, I really appreciate your hardwork. I want to call senator/Rep in PA, Any contacts of them..
this might help
http://www.senate.gov/
thank you for digging
this might help
http://www.senate.gov/
thank you for digging
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Jerrome
09-25 02:53 PM
I don't think in any year EB2ROW has got 40K GC in the past, even when the economy was in good shape.
Does anyone has links for the annual GC issuance per country/per category for 2008. I missed the link.
The worst case scenario would be 20,000 max. That means EB2(I) will move to Mid or3 rd quarter of 2006 by end of 2010.
using following report
NAFSA | Resource Library | Selected PERM Program Statistics - Jan 2009 (http://www.nafsa.org/regulatory_information.sec/regulatory_document_library.dlib/employment-based_immigration/selected_perm_program)
http://www.nafsa.org/uploadedFiles/selected_perm_program.pdf?n=2558
Using the report from 12/31/2008 (did not find a newer report)
PERM received: 20,752 (18,863 electronic; 1,889 mail-in)
PERM completed: 4,571 (3,074 certified; 1,328 denied; 169 withdrawn)
PERM pending : 53200
For next 3 quarters we assume they receive 10K applications and approve 5k each quarter we get PERM pending (53200 + 3 * 10k - 3 * 5k) = 68K pending PERM.
For this 68K, i am expecting 30% from India and 10% from China and 20% from EB3-ROW. We get 27K EB2 ROW PERM pending.
If 70% of them are approved and apply for I-485 with 1.2 dependent we get approx 40K I-485 applications in EB2-ROW.
So in case all PERM backlog is removed we will get 40K more EB2-ROW applications. Worst case scenario.
Does anyone has links for the annual GC issuance per country/per category for 2008. I missed the link.
The worst case scenario would be 20,000 max. That means EB2(I) will move to Mid or3 rd quarter of 2006 by end of 2010.
using following report
NAFSA | Resource Library | Selected PERM Program Statistics - Jan 2009 (http://www.nafsa.org/regulatory_information.sec/regulatory_document_library.dlib/employment-based_immigration/selected_perm_program)
http://www.nafsa.org/uploadedFiles/selected_perm_program.pdf?n=2558
Using the report from 12/31/2008 (did not find a newer report)
PERM received: 20,752 (18,863 electronic; 1,889 mail-in)
PERM completed: 4,571 (3,074 certified; 1,328 denied; 169 withdrawn)
PERM pending : 53200
For next 3 quarters we assume they receive 10K applications and approve 5k each quarter we get PERM pending (53200 + 3 * 10k - 3 * 5k) = 68K pending PERM.
For this 68K, i am expecting 30% from India and 10% from China and 20% from EB3-ROW. We get 27K EB2 ROW PERM pending.
If 70% of them are approved and apply for I-485 with 1.2 dependent we get approx 40K I-485 applications in EB2-ROW.
So in case all PERM backlog is removed we will get 40K more EB2-ROW applications. Worst case scenario.
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vjkypally
09-18 08:44 AM
That is very true that with spill over it will cross 2005 in 2010. But we should not really expect it till Sep2010.
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05-25 12:41 PM
Did you send your web fax today?
Please do
Thank you
Have you got the Canadina PR? If yes, how much time it took for you get the canadian PR? I believe we need to write the english test also to apply for Canadian PR.
Please do
Thank you
Have you got the Canadina PR? If yes, how much time it took for you get the canadian PR? I believe we need to write the english test also to apply for Canadian PR.
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chanduv23
02-13 11:50 AM
We have three now and atleast 8 who supported this issue on the thread
I would be the happiest person seeing this :)
Lets add a poll - we want honest takers on this poll.
Thread starter - please post a poll
I would be the happiest person seeing this :)
Lets add a poll - we want honest takers on this poll.
Thread starter - please post a poll
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sumagiri
07-25 11:00 AM
What you say can certainly happen, but I beleive that the pressure on USCIS is exponentially greater after last summer. People are watching their every step very closely. They got away with their inefficiency in prior years because the bottleneck was not USCIS - it was DOL that took a zillion years to clear labor petitions. Additionally the visa recapture of 2000 ensured no retrogression until 2005. Even after 2005 there were very few 485's to approve because of a) very low perm applications/approvals in 2005 and early 2006 and b) all the 2003/2004 labors were stuck in BEC's and were approved only in late 2006 or early 2007 (like your truly - mine was actually an RIR but the BEC classified it as Traditional Recruitment and began recruiting for the position - but thats another story).
Net net; USCIS inefficiency was masked under DOL's backlog - but now their transgressions are out in the open and they cant hide anymore behind DOL especially after last summer.
As much as Ron Gotcher has been accurate in the past, I think he is missing the point this time. At an ulterior level he needs to show USCIS in poor light because he only recommends CP for his clients. If I were his client and I hear him say that this year USCIS is different then I am bound to switch over from CP to AOS!
I know. That is what I am exactly saying. All our calculations will be true when USCIS works efficiently for this year and continues to do so. And we all are hoping for that.
Net net; USCIS inefficiency was masked under DOL's backlog - but now their transgressions are out in the open and they cant hide anymore behind DOL especially after last summer.
As much as Ron Gotcher has been accurate in the past, I think he is missing the point this time. At an ulterior level he needs to show USCIS in poor light because he only recommends CP for his clients. If I were his client and I hear him say that this year USCIS is different then I am bound to switch over from CP to AOS!
I know. That is what I am exactly saying. All our calculations will be true when USCIS works efficiently for this year and continues to do so. And we all are hoping for that.
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bayarea07
07-21 10:40 PM
Another thing i found out about these amway guys is they lie about
credentials of their upsells and about themselves just to show them as superior and successful in life, i know few friends of mine who though a big failure in the technical job they do (one has been kicked out of the job because he did not knew his work) but he keeps posting patents on free internet sites and writes technical blogs (most of them copied from different internet sites) just to show his downlines how bigshot he is.
Complete wastage of time and money, do it if you want to alienate all your existing friends and family and if you did decide to join , be ready to be brainwashed by the new friends and group that you are going to have by making everybody else beside that group as a loser.
By the Way when they introduce you to their boss ,their boss usually shows you a real check of 8-9K, is it usually a fake check given to them as part of the kit
credentials of their upsells and about themselves just to show them as superior and successful in life, i know few friends of mine who though a big failure in the technical job they do (one has been kicked out of the job because he did not knew his work) but he keeps posting patents on free internet sites and writes technical blogs (most of them copied from different internet sites) just to show his downlines how bigshot he is.
Complete wastage of time and money, do it if you want to alienate all your existing friends and family and if you did decide to join , be ready to be brainwashed by the new friends and group that you are going to have by making everybody else beside that group as a loser.
By the Way when they introduce you to their boss ,their boss usually shows you a real check of 8-9K, is it usually a fake check given to them as part of the kit
lazycis
12-13 01:07 PM
Here is what the Supreme Court said:
http://supreme.justia.com/us/426/67/case.html
"The fact that all persons, aliens and citizens alike, are protected by the Due Process Clause does not lead to the further conclusion that all aliens are entitled to enjoy all the advantages of citizenship or, indeed, to the conclusion that all aliens must be placed in a single homogeneous legal classification. For a host of constitutional and statutory provisions rest on the premise that a legitimate distinction between citizens and aliens may justify attributes and benefits for one class not accorded to the other; and the class of aliens is itself a heterogeneous multitude of persons with a wide-ranging variety of ties to this country.
In the exercise of its broad power over naturalization and immigration, Congress regularly makes rules that would be unacceptable if applied to citizens. The exclusion of aliens and the reservation of the power to deport have no permissible counterpart in the Federal Government's power to regulate the conduct of its own citizenry. The fact that an Act of Congress treats aliens differently from citizens does not in itself imply that such disparate treatment is "invidious."
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The real question presented by this case is not whether discrimination between citizens and aliens is permissible; rather, it is whether the statutory discrimination within the class of aliens - allowing benefits to some aliens but not to others - is permissible."
The SC concluded that the statutory discrimination within the class of aliens is permissible.
http://supreme.justia.com/us/426/67/case.html
"The fact that all persons, aliens and citizens alike, are protected by the Due Process Clause does not lead to the further conclusion that all aliens are entitled to enjoy all the advantages of citizenship or, indeed, to the conclusion that all aliens must be placed in a single homogeneous legal classification. For a host of constitutional and statutory provisions rest on the premise that a legitimate distinction between citizens and aliens may justify attributes and benefits for one class not accorded to the other; and the class of aliens is itself a heterogeneous multitude of persons with a wide-ranging variety of ties to this country.
In the exercise of its broad power over naturalization and immigration, Congress regularly makes rules that would be unacceptable if applied to citizens. The exclusion of aliens and the reservation of the power to deport have no permissible counterpart in the Federal Government's power to regulate the conduct of its own citizenry. The fact that an Act of Congress treats aliens differently from citizens does not in itself imply that such disparate treatment is "invidious."
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The real question presented by this case is not whether discrimination between citizens and aliens is permissible; rather, it is whether the statutory discrimination within the class of aliens - allowing benefits to some aliens but not to others - is permissible."
The SC concluded that the statutory discrimination within the class of aliens is permissible.
ramus
07-03 04:06 PM
Anybody have any contact with NPR.. Can we just 10 mins somewhere..