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  • sparky_jones
    05-28 10:43 PM
    "When asked about the potential cutoff dates for EB3 India, China, and Mexico, Mr. Oppenheim said that it would depend on the demand for these categories over the rest of FY2009"

    What demand? Aren't these categories already "Unavailable" for the rest of FY2009? What will generate the demand? His earlier statements seem to suggest they have a pretty good handle on the number of cases pending and the EB categories and chargeabilities of those cases. Should'nt they already have a pretty good handle on the demand? On one hand, Mr. Oppenheim is throwing out numbers like they've got it all figured out...and immediately after that he makes a statement which implies they haven't a clue!





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  • hpandey
    06-14 12:40 PM
    To be honest, I do agree that the US needs qualified people with skillsets. The real question is "Are the people from the desi consulting companies the real qualified lot ? " Just to get my background details out of the way. I am a new member, from India ofcourse, and I have recently applied for my citizenship. Now with this huge deluge of immigrants, especially from the desi consulting companies, I feel that my quality of life is getting adversely impacted. Do not rush to conclusions that I am anti Indian or anti immigrant. 12 years back when I first got my H1 visa, the requirements to qualify were strict. Staffing companies to a decent extent followed rules and tried to get the best and the brightest. Once the dot com boom started, people from all walks of life entered IT. This was true of not just the Indians but also of people in the US. Soon after the bust, the value proposition from these staffing companies was simply low cost. This is not to blame the staffing companies. They behaved in an economically rational way.

    Consider this scenario. If you run a consulting company, wouldn't you try to maximize your profits by staffing people in projects at the least cost ? This is econmically rational. You wouldn't worry much about the quality of the deliverables and all you would care is to dump as many bodies as possible at the client site or offshore and get the maximum bang for the buck.

    In this scenario, how is it feasible to expect immigrational justice when the bodies themselves dont provide exceptional talent and skills but simply offer low cost ? Now you would be tempted to bring in the analogous case of illegal low skilled immigrants. Remember they are just that - low skilled workers. They dont "steal" the jobs of high skilled workers. But this dumping of IT workforce has completely brought down the standard of living of the IT workers here. To be honest, those who get green cards today would feel the same way five years from now when the next wave of so called "skilled IT immigrants" offer even lower wages and destroy the quality of life.

    In summary, this retrogression is good in a way. The truly best and the brightest would still be employed until their turn for adjournment comes in. Only the weak are currently scared of the delays. I went through the same torrid GC phase after the tech meltdown in 2001. I was not worried of my job then but many people whom I knew got clobbered and were forced to leave. This is the darwinian flush and it will take its toll. Trust me this the bitter truth. If you people still consider that all the people on H1/L1 are part of the best and the brightest, they are WRONG. Only a small % (probably 20%) are the true best and the brightest and a good 50% will be flushed out. Sorry to say this and hey give me the red dots.

    You have got the same Indian mentality that most of the people here that once we got a GC and citizenship let us close the doors behind us. Just because you got lucky and got your GC in time and are now applying for Citizenship you are saying that all others who come after you are not as qualified as you or "best and the brightest" .

    For your knowledge I see a lot of intelligent people everyday from all walks of life - Indians, Americans, Chinese, Russians etc etc. A person does not becomhe intelligent by the number of degrees he has but by the logic sense that he has and how he applies to his daily life.

    Who are you to judge the people coming after you that they are not skilled or the best and brightest.

    I don't wish bad for anyone but if you are saying retrogression is good then beware you are wishing for the curse of a lot of people who have been unfairly standing in the queue for 8 - 10 years while a lot of people from 2006 got their GC.





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  • BharatPremi
    10-25 04:45 PM
    what is definition of "canadian business".

    Ans: The company originally set up in any province in canada.

    - May have business interest/setup in other countries in terms of
    branch/subcidiary or partnership with other compny in otehr country.
    can we extrpoltae your suggestion little bit more or is it asking for
    too much

    1. once you have PR ask your wife to open a company A.
    2. As a employee of company A you can come over to USA while maintainig your PR status. You should still be considered to be covered under candian business wanting the employee to work on international projects..

    can this theory fly...all this assuming no EAD filling in near future

    Ans: Keys: 1) companies MUST be set in both canada and US

    2) For investing you need not to be resident. This is true for both
    US and Canada.
    3) For filing GC you MUST be an employee. IF you are investor
    you can not file GC under your company
    4) US GC is very lengthy process. How you can make sure your
    employment for around 7 to 8 years? So considering this and point 3, convince your wife to set the business both in Canada nad USA.

    - Since you can not become investor to achieve US GC ( Considering to apply through Employment category .. which is cheap cost option), make
    your wife a boss and let her run business. You become an employee in Company A (Canada)set by her. Tell her to set company B in US. Tell her to find the project in US. Let her tell the client (USA) to go into contract with company B. Company B's owner (Your wife) will make a contract with Company A ( Here also your wife is an owner) for the position at that client. Being an employee of company A ("Canadian Business") your employer (your wife) will put a TN visa request to the consulate showing USA's client (comany B) business need. Upon approval you fly to USA (Now your wife is your family so wife will also fly with you) for starting a job. You will be considered "Physical Resident" of Canada as "Canadian Business" sent you to USA for business need. Now after some time tell Company B ( Owner: Your Wife)to file US GC application for "Future Employment". As long as you keep getting valid project work in USA, now you will be in a position to stop counting years of GC process. You will be able to maintain Canadian PR , can become Canadian citizen after 3 years and wait for US GC coolly. Ofcourse every year TN will have to be renewed.

    Possible flaws in theory: 1) Double taxes (In Canada nad US) ( Will require some research and good advise from Tax expert from both in Canada and US)
    2) May affect TN renewals adversely !!? ( No idea.. suggestions welcome).

    To me this way of thinking seems to be perfectly legal.. But I think we should better ask some good professinal lawyers who are experts for both Canadian and US immigration.





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  • poorslumdog
    05-03 01:21 AM
    in this thread... last 1o posts are about newtoearth...

    people will take peosonally and call names when they can't argue with facts...

    if you can talk on the issue lets discuss else (I know this is what you want when you know that you don't have any facts to support you...)
    What is relationship to my ID and Attack on Indian Army by Eelam Guys, Real Stupid ...
    ... I have been so non popular only aravas browsing the thread...

    Hey you know what..
    There are many Indian Languages top of you in population in India or in rest of the world
    Hindi
    PANJABI
    Bengali
    Telugu
    all of the above comminities are living all over the world.. But no one made any noise...
    Now you think.. where the problem is .. Every body mingled with locals...
    But if any one sees Singapore, Malasia, or SL. you know ...
    Enough...
    I am out of this disscussion if some one is talking it personally

    What about Hindi guys are kicked out in asam and Mumbai. Malasiya, Singapore and SL have tamil population and thats why the noise is.

    Basically you are a singala guy in this forum for long time and created this id to today to fight with tamils. Because no other indian guy will call tamil as arava...In fact we hear it for the first time and no one knows or cares what it means.



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  • mchundi
    01-23 06:41 PM
    Can they use same LC for more than one I-140?
    Trying to understand damage done by LC substitution scams.
    My understanding is they can and they do that. U will only know when the AOS is taken up for processing. In this case there were 5 of them on the same labor. Even 140 gets approved, but not 485. I really wud like to know how VISA numbers get handled in these cases.
    I know several guys who took this path. Of them only one was a genuine case. All others were some kind of deals. Only one of them had a bad deal(Thanks to Mandalapa). Others r still happy with their EAD's.
    I mean this is a widespread practice. I situations like now when we have so few VISA numbers it is unfortunate one for us if those VISA numbers r lost.





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  • AllVNeedGcPc
    07-03 11:11 AM
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  • gcisadawg
    05-01 04:22 PM
    Don't be too confident that you may never be in the situation like them. Who knows tomorrow ? History tells us that you would be never safe on foreign soil ! If its not you, it would be your next generation who might seek support from your home country


    Well said! Being an Indian-Tamilian, it pains to see the whole SL Tamil community caught between the devil (LTTE) and deep sea (SL govt). The SL gov't has used this war cleverly to nurture the hatred between SL Tamil minority and Sinhala majority deep, very deep almost to the point of no return.

    Thomas Jefferson, once said, "A democracy is nothing more than mob rule, where fifty-one percent of the people may take away the rights of the other forty-nine. "
    I really believe Jefferson's worst fear is playing out in Sri Lanka.

    Discalimer: I dont support LTTE. Also, I was pained and frustated equally when terrorists killed innocent Indian civilians. So, pls. don't jump on me on that account!





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  • Lasantha
    12-14 03:45 PM
    Good summary but let me also add the observation that eliminating the per country quota alone will not bring the desired benefit unless the following are also implemneted

    1) Increase of the total EB quota
    2) Exclude dependents from the quota
    3) Re-capture unused visas from past years.


    To summarize the discussions on this thread:

    Yes, it is 7 % for all countries.

    Now it is manifestly obvious that the 7 % figure is arbitrary, and not fair. That much we can all agree on.

    The real question, as raised in the first post of the thread by soljabhai is:

    (A) Is that constitutional?
    (B) (And this is the real question): If it is, what should we do about it?

    Intelligent questions, both.
    The answer to (A) is not clear. We need a competent constitutional expert to opine on the matter.
    For (B), (which is what the thread is really all about), there are lively discussions with differing views.
    lazycis has presented good evidence that the case is not cut and dried legally. It might be unfair, but those are the laws.
    mbartosik, alterego, me and others have argued (from different angles) in terms of pragmatism. (Cost is not worth the benefit)
    garybanz, soljabhai, and others have argued that it is worth it (Cost is worth the benefit).

    Anyway, agree or disagree, its an interesting thread with interesting posts..



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  • okuzmin
    07-10 04:47 PM
    Byeusa, the best of luck to you and your family! I'm in the same boat: already approved by Buffalo, just waiting for my second daughter to be born (any time now :)), and we'll be on our way to Canada. We plan to settle in Calgary, but after I've heard of the new MS office in BC, I might seek to go to Vancouver -- the time will tell.

    I've been in the USA for almost 13 years, got two of my bachelor's degrees here, 9 years of progressive IT experience. Three companies and three I-485 attempts later, I've been stuck in retrogression over the last 2.5 years. My family, my business, my life -- everything has been affected, much the same as for most folks on this forum. So, with two US-born kids we'll go up North; our friends are waiting for us in Calgary, Edmonton, Toronto, Montreal, or Vancouver.





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  • gc28262
    09-24 08:51 AM
    Sent the email to everyone from the list

    http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=pptN-jEpAiyd3snslhPjBfw

    Sent one to my anti-immigrant congressman as well.



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  • go_guy123
    06-11 04:20 AM
    At least Mr Oppenheimer has told the truth that it is curtains for EB2 and EB3 India and China and brought all the hopefuls to the ground . Passing CIR is a distant dream.

    Thank you Mr Oppenheimer ! At least you had the guys to spell out the bitter truth , so that we could plan accordingly and plan our return .

    Yes true. In fact people on EAD are going to be on EAD for a long long time.





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  • kumarc123
    11-06 02:09 PM
    IV is started for one cause, that is to eliminate the unfair country quota and speed up the green card process. Let us stick with that.Do not divert by introducing these kind of proposals.

    Few weeks before there was a fight between eb3 and eb2 applicants on this forum. Now you are starting a new group which favors who has money. This is not good. Let us unite and focus on one goal. I am not supporting this idea. Please drop this.

    aps

    Dude stop complaining and do what is expected for IV, I am not in a position right now to buy a house, but I do favor the idea. Mainly because this type of movement will create awareness among American people. Above all like the moderator said, the the Que will decrease. I understand your anguish and anxiety, please lets do something and not just waste our time complaining.

    Recently we have more number of people complaining rather doing something. I understand we all are worried and anxious, but we need to keep doing something constructive, rather than complaining.



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  • BharatPremi
    12-14 04:57 PM
    Simple. If it wasn't for that ceiling the vast majority of the visas will go to applicants from the oversubscribed countries. Now this is not a bad thing if the visas are in unlimited supply. But since that's not the case, the country ceiling ensures that even people from smaller nations will get an equal oportunity to claim a visa before all the visa are grabbed by their BIG brothers and sisters. And what's more what ever is left is given back to the oversubscribed countries.

    How can you call that unfair? Is it fair to deprive a person from a smaller country, equal chance to have go at his GC?

    Lasantha,

    You are fond of "Ceiling", Good. Provide me a solution with a goal not to hurt progress march of US economy in following imaginary Scenario without changing current EB immigration laws:

    Assumption 1:Whole EB Bus starts with year 2009 - no backlog for ANY
    COUNRTY - USCIS does not have any kind of administrative
    mess - Situation in USCIS is such that moment it find work, it
    will send flower to you for keeping them busy. - US industry
    exactly need 140000 skilled and highly skilled people from outside
    world as within US they have shortage of exctly that number.
    and it can not afford a single person less than that to keep
    economy at balanced level.

    Assumption 2: India can provide 35000, China can provide 50000, Britain can
    provide 4000, Sweden can provide 2000, Saudi Arabia can
    provide 1000, Sri Lanka can provide 4000, Thailand can provide
    500, Pakistan can provide 5000, South africa can provide 5000
    ,Bangladesh can provide 1500 and rest 32000 from Europe
    (other than Britain) and each of above country cannot provide
    more labor that what is mentioned here. And other unlisted countries
    do not have any skilled persons to provide (This is assumption.. DO not go after me...:))

    So whole world together is ready to provide 140000 labor to US. With current laws tell me what will happen to US economy? Will US Industry be able to get all 140000?

    Will you still be trumpeting "Ceiling" drum?





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  • ragz4u
    10-24 12:52 PM
    I was under the impression that only an 'approved' labor can be substituted. I recently had a conversation with a friend whose company attorney had told him that even unapproved labors stuck in the Backlog center can be substituted.

    I am pretty confident that this is another case of an unethical, not-well-versed lawyer wishing to make a quick buck, but can someone please enlighten me if I am wrong?



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  • newuser
    09-23 09:15 PM
    E-mailed everyone on the list. Only one bounced ID.





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  • Kodi
    05-25 12:21 PM
    At what stage do you have to prove funds? Is it in the form of bank statements?



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  • alisa
    02-14 10:11 PM
    If we increase the number of links from other web-sites, blogs etc to immigrationvoice.com, then immigrationvoice should show up earlier.

    1) Does this mean that if we link from our webpages/homepages to IV, that it will count?

    2) How about if I set up a website, create a thousand pages in it, and put a link to IV on each of those pages? Does that count? Is it the number of pages that point to IV that count? Or the number of websites? Do you know how the spiders work?

    3) Also, how about clicking on IV. Like, can I google retrogression, and then go to page 2, and then click on IV. Will that count? If it does, then we can all do that daily. All the bums that come here and don't pay, they can atleast do this.


    I am bringing this up because I had been googling retrogression for a long time, and IV never came up.





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  • gc_wow
    08-15 10:29 PM
    Bollywood should first pay taxes, none of these icons, pay taxes legimately in India, remember them dancing in the partys of mafia, which is tied to terrorists, I think the agent did a great job in nabbing this guy. The VVIP mentality should end in India. Stupid illeterate politicians are over playing this, Ambika Soni should do what she is supossed to do in her office.





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  • lotsofspace
    02-13 11:26 AM
    I understand that per country cap is painful for certain countries. But i think they want the employment based immigrant community to be as versatile as possible. I have never heard someone complaining about the DV program where certain countries are not allowed to participate. The reason behind is that they want people from all over the world not just from certain parts of the world.

    What part of "Diversity Visa" don't you understand ? The objective there was and is "DIVERSITY" and therefore it make sense (albeit a limited one).

    Why should there be a restriction based on COB for employment based visas ? Do you think the Govt can dictate companies to recruit only so many people from different demographies ? I guess not.

    Thank God there is no such restriction on H1.

    I know it sucks for guys from ROW to be treated on par with ICMP quartet. But is only fair to be treated equally at least in EB categories.

    As many have suggested before, this removal of quota in it self will not solve the immigration problem. But is is fair and equitable in my opinion. And the opinion generally is different based on what side of the fence you are on. Recapture and increase of the annual limit to a more reasonable number is the correct solution.

    Although it may be kind of wishful thinking from the ICMP quartet to get this per country limitation removed, I personally feel the odds of that happening or very low. So guys from ROW, please chill. You are probably alright. Removing the world hunger is the right thing , but that is not going to happen. Some people continue to eat mud cakes to kill the hunger (This is a true story. I read an article recently).


    Most problems in the past have been resolved by not improving/patching the current system/source but by paradigm and systematic shifts. The root of the problem at the conceptual level is the demand for these visas from these countries. If the India and China continue their current growth rate for the next decade, they probably don't need this many visas :) who knows :).
    But for now this is a problem for all of us who are struck in this nightmare.





    andymajumder
    06-02 03:54 PM
    I am the one , who proposed this idea, and people tend to disagree.
    I am again saying , the only solution is a lawsuit.

    Its possible we will not win such a lawsuit....I am not a lawyer, and often things which seem discriminatory to the common man, cannot be proved so in the court of law.
    Yet, such a lawsuit could get some publicity and at least highlight the baltantly unfair laws against certain groups people based on country of birth in the EB category.





    glus
    03-17 10:33 AM
    hi All,

    Can someone give me advice on this:

    I have 4 yrs Bachelors + 6.5 yrs of IT exp. i am being offered a Pre- approved labor(EB3-PD-Nov.2003), which was filed for someone with a condition-Bachelors + 4 years exp., at the time of filing.
    i graduated in June 2000, so i am about 1 year short for the 2003 PD. However i did some part time work during college in India and the lawyer says if i can get exp. letter from that company on a letter head, that should suffice.
    i am concerned if that India exp. during graduation will work or not.
    Has anyone faced a situation like this?
    the (part time exp)company was very small, can this be risky? what do you guys think?

    Thanks.
    I am not sure if you cannot used experience gained before / during college. I think it all depends on the LC requirements. I know many people who used experience gained before gaining their degrees, and there were no issues. However, I do not know if their LCs specified "post-degree experience, or just experience." I would speak to another lawyer to see if he tells you the same story as your current lawyer. You could send this question to Susan Henner. She is the attorney giving us free advise. The the home page for information on how to send her a question.

    Regards,



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